The DOB has issued a Full Vacate Order on the townhouses at 11, 13 and 15 Old Fulton Street due to “significant structural defects of rear wall entire building and rear yards to be vacated.” Commenters in a 2007 post about 11-15 Old Fulton Street, did mention that there are “severe structural issues with them, and the land they sit on,” so this may have affected the buildings.
DOB listing for:
Top photo courtesy of epc.
Previously:
{Three Vacant Buildings on Old Fulton Street, 18Jan2007}
{Old Fulton Street Townhomes Under Contract, 30Nov2007}
My understanding is that the Landmarks Protection Commission has commenced a demolition-by-neglect proceeding against the owner of these buildings.
I would assume that this determination would jeopardize the plans to build on the empty lot at 9 Old Fulton.
My understanding is that the Landmarks Protection Commission has commenced a demolition-by-neglect proceeding against the owner of these buildings.
I would assume that this determination would jeopardize the plans to build on the empty lot at 9 Old Fulton.
I wonder who lives here…
No one lives there. The building has been vacant for 15 years. What's the point of having a vacate order on an already abandoned building? Shouldn't they do something to shore it up in case of a collapse?
No doubt Tim Lynch, forensic engineer for NYC and a vampire is busy writing up enough vios to bury these buildings. The city will by right knock these babies down soon. I am loose stool.
Dumbo buildings are falling like dominoes. The Guttman building on Water Street, the Purchase building beneath the bridge, the Storage building on Furman Street, these buildings on Old Fulton will fall next and then — showtime! — so long, Empire Stores. Can't wait for all the feigned outrage.
The truth is Dibs, unlike places like Soho, these buildings are too decrepit to keep. They will built cheaply with very little cosmetic considerations and have long outlived their usefulness. Given the proximity to Manhattan the pressure will be on to come up with schemes to work around the LPC recognition and get some real dog piles going. Anybody who thinks otherwise is blowing smoke up Dumbo's ass
Well if they fell on their own, which is clearly the fear, that would be very dangerous to people on the sidewalk (despite Grimaldi's line of tourists, they're still human beings), and to adjacent property owners. If the building is in danger of collapse, why don't they shore it up for satety's sake until they determine the course of action? Since when is a fallen down wreck, albeit a historic, landmarked one, more valuable than life, limb and damage to property owned by people who care for and about their own buildings?
I wonder who lives here…
No one lives there. The building has been vacant for 15 years. What's the point of having a vacate order on an already abandoned building? Shouldn't they do something to shore it up in case of a collapse?
No doubt Tim Lynch, forensic engineer for NYC and a vampire is busy writing up enough vios to bury these buildings. The city will by right knock these babies down soon. I am loose stool.
Dumbo buildings are falling like dominoes. The Guttman building on Water Street, the Purchase building beneath the bridge, the Storage building on Furman Street, these buildings on Old Fulton will fall next and then — showtime! — so long, Empire Stores. Can't wait for all the feigned outrage.
The truth is Dibs, unlike places like Soho, these buildings are too decrepit to keep. They will built cheaply with very little cosmetic considerations and have long outlived their usefulness. Given the proximity to Manhattan the pressure will be on to come up with schemes to work around the LPC recognition and get some real dog piles going. Anybody who thinks otherwise is blowing smoke up Dumbo's ass
Well if they fell on their own, which is clearly the fear, that would be very dangerous to people on the sidewalk (despite Grimaldi's line of tourists, they're still human beings), and to adjacent property owners. If the building is in danger of collapse, why don't they shore it up for satety's sake until they determine the course of action? Since when is a fallen down wreck, albeit a historic, landmarked one, more valuable than life, limb and damage to property owned by people who care for and about their own buildings?
These buildings are part of the Fulton Ferry Historic District, and you really can't “knock them down” just like that. Besides, they're directly under the Bklyn Bridge. You want to replace them with a nice, 35 story high building?
Your argument echoes the sound of the anti-Dock Street campaign. See how that turned out. I believe they'll be breaking ground next Spring. It's not about what I want or what you want. And it certainly has nothing to do with what LPC or the Old Fulton Historic District wants. It's about what developers and politicians and Bloomberg wants. I would gladly wager with you that sometime before Bloomberg leaves office, the Empire Stores will be gone or in play to be demolished. It's part of why the city took over the park. And, yes, they do want to demolish these buildings on Old Fulton and, if they can get away with it , they'll build as high as they can. It can be a bookend to Dock Street. Perhaps they'll use Eminent Domain. Regardless, our opinions don't matter. All we get to do is post on this silly little blog.
Dibs, I think this close to the bridge, the only thing that can happen is that these buildings are demolished and rebuilt with development in keeping with the building in the back of 11-15 Old Fulton, on Water Street. That's a new building and from what I remember, the developer wanted to build higher but was not allowed to. Eminent Domain will not come into play this close to the bridge for these properties.
Isn't anyone concerned about safety in the event these buildings collapse in the meantime?
These buildings are part of the Fulton Ferry Historic District, and you really can't “knock them down” just like that. Besides, they're directly under the Bklyn Bridge. You want to replace them with a nice, 35 story high building?
Your argument echoes the sound of the anti-Dock Street campaign. See how that turned out. I believe they'll be breaking ground next Spring. It's not about what I want or what you want. And it certainly has nothing to do with what LPC or the Old Fulton Historic District wants. It's about what developers and politicians and Bloomberg wants. I would gladly wager with you that sometime before Bloomberg leaves office, the Empire Stores will be gone or in play to be demolished. It's part of why the city took over the park. And, yes, they do want to demolish these buildings on Old Fulton and, if they can get away with it , they'll build as high as they can. It can be a bookend to Dock Street. Perhaps they'll use Eminent Domain. Regardless, our opinions don't matter. All we get to do is post on this silly little blog.
Dibs, I think this close to the bridge, the only thing that can happen is that these buildings are demolished and rebuilt with development in keeping with the building in the back of 11-15 Old Fulton, on Water Street. That's a new building and from what I remember, the developer wanted to build higher but was not allowed to. Eminent Domain will not come into play this close to the bridge for these properties.
Isn't anyone concerned about safety in the event these buildings collapse in the meantime?
Well if they fell on their own, which is clearly the fear, that would be very dangerous to people on the sidewalk (despite Grimaldi's line of tourists, they're still human beings), and to adjacent property owners. If the building is in danger of collapse, why don't they shore it up for satety's sake until they determine the course of action? Since when is a fallen down wreck, albeit a historic, landmarked one, more valuable than life, limb and damage to property owned by people who care for and about their own buildings?
Well if they fell on their own, which is clearly the fear, that would be very dangerous to people on the sidewalk (despite Grimaldi's line of tourists, they're still human beings), and to adjacent property owners. If the building is in danger of collapse, why don't they shore it up for satety's sake until they determine the course of action? Since when is a fallen down wreck, albeit a historic, landmarked one, more valuable than life, limb and damage to property owned by people who care for and about their own buildings?
Your argument echoes the sound of the anti-Dock Street campaign. See how that turned out. I believe they'll be breaking ground next Spring. It's not about what I want or what you want. And it certainly has nothing to do with what LPC or the Old Fulton Historic District wants. It's about what developers and politicians and Bloomberg wants. I would gladly wager with you that sometime before Bloomberg leaves office, the Empire Stores will be gone or in play to be demolished. It's part of why the city took over the park. And, yes, they do want to demolish these buildings on Old Fulton and, if they can get away with it , they'll build as high as they can. It can be a bookend to Dock Street. Perhaps they'll use Eminent Domain. Regardless, our opinions don't matter. All we get to do is post on this silly little blog.
Your argument echoes the sound of the anti-Dock Street campaign. See how that turned out. I believe they'll be breaking ground next Spring. It's not about what I want or what you want. And it certainly has nothing to do with what LPC or the Old Fulton Historic District wants. It's about what developers and politicians and Bloomberg wants. I would gladly wager with you that sometime before Bloomberg leaves office, the Empire Stores will be gone or in play to be demolished. It's part of why the city took over the park. And, yes, they do want to demolish these buildings on Old Fulton and, if they can get away with it , they'll build as high as they can. It can be a bookend to Dock Street. Perhaps they'll use Eminent Domain. Regardless, our opinions don't matter. All we get to do is post on this silly little blog.
Dibs, I think this close to the bridge, the only thing that can happen is that these buildings are demolished and rebuilt with development in keeping with the building in the back of 11-15 Old Fulton, on Water Street. That's a new building and from what I remember, the developer wanted to build higher but was not allowed to. Eminent Domain will not come into play this close to the bridge for these properties.
Isn't anyone concerned about safety in the event these buildings collapse in the meantime?
Dibs, I think this close to the bridge, the only thing that can happen is that these buildings are demolished and rebuilt with development in keeping with the building in the back of 11-15 Old Fulton, on Water Street. That's a new building and from what I remember, the developer wanted to build higher but was not allowed to. Eminent Domain will not come into play this close to the bridge for these properties.
Isn't anyone concerned about safety in the event these buildings collapse in the meantime?
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