Some Don't Want Jane's Carousel in Park

A Curbed report says that someone posted a sign in front of the currently-closed-for-renovations Empire Fulton Ferry Park. The sign as transcribed by Curbed says:

the carousel
Boycott this thoughtless project of a rich individual’s boredom
In order to install the carousel in the park,

  • A majestic tree will be chopped down
  • Nature all around will be destroyed
  • As will the peace and quiet we’ve enjoyed
  • No more geese – either chased or terrified by the racket and the crowds

Inevitably, this “mini amusement park” will attract unprecedented crowds, junk-food concession stands, and, in turn, rats at night.
All this because an idle person, Jane Walentas, wife of a developer already responsible for several Dumbo eyesores, has nothing better to do and plenty of power and money to do it. No doubt she thinks of it as her great legacy, for which we should all be thankful. After all, you are incapable of teaching your children to be entertained by a mere park. They must have a whirligig that will improve their lives.

Fight the bully! Go online and tell Jane Walenta [sic] that money doesn’t buy everything. Certainly not our admiration.

Is this about NIMBY, anti-Walentas, or both?

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  • The person who posted this sign is right.
    I'm not anti-Walentas. Good for them for making enough money to pay to place their antiques wherever they wish.
    But I am pro-trees, pro-shade, pro-grass that kids can actually run around on, pro-recreational space for those who live in the neighborhood etc etc etc.
    Does anybody feel the same?
    If so, let's organize and mobilize.

    • Agreed. It's a shame the park is not open or maintained right now. It's cluttered with trash and the grass is all dying. Open it back up so we can have green space to play. No need for this carousel. Take it to a bigger park.

    • Agreed with Choose Life and other anti Carousel posters. Why should we have to haul it out to LI to get peace and quiet? Isn't that the purpose of a park in the middle of a bustling city? Why not passive open green space where people can relax? Now that's unusual/interesting! This park is too small for the carousel – A carousel is completely out of context. Why not put it on one of the piers instead? There are many different kids of people who live in and visit dumbo – older folks, singles, couples, and many people without kids – a park as small as this should not be geared toward the needs of one particular group. This is completely self indulgent of Jane W and associated bobbleheads who “yes” the money. This is going to be the Seaport redux – Disneyland on the East River – uh – I'm nauseaus already.

  • The person who posted this sign is right.
    I'm not anti-Walentas. Good for them for making enough money to pay to place their antiques wherever they wish.
    But I am pro-trees, pro-shade, pro-grass that kids can actually run around on, pro-recreational space for those who live in the neighborhood etc etc etc.
    Does anybody feel the same?
    If so, let's organize and mobilize.

    • Agreed. It's a shame the park is not open or maintained right now. It's cluttered with trash and the grass is all dying. Open it back up so we can have green space to play. No need for this carousel. Take it to a bigger park.

    • Agreed with Choose Life and other anti Carousel posters. Why should we have to haul it out to LI to get peace and quiet? Isn't that the purpose of a park in the middle of a bustling city? Why not passive open green space where people can relax? Now that's unusual/interesting! This park is too small for the carousel – A carousel is completely out of context. Why not put it on one of the piers instead? There are many different kids of people who live in and visit dumbo – older folks, singles, couples, and many people without kids – a park as small as this should not be geared toward the needs of one particular group. This is completely self indulgent of Jane W and associated bobbleheads who “yes” the money. This is going to be the Seaport redux – Disneyland on the East River – uh – I'm nauseaus already.

  • I don't want Jane's Carousel in BBP. Let her eat cake, not us.

  • I don't want Jane's Carousel in BBP. Let her eat cake, not us.

  • I like horsies

  • I like horsies

  • This reeks of NIMBYism from a anonymous kermudgen, bringing to mind the oft-lampooned quote: “you kids get off my lawn!”

    The sign poster certainly has a point about the loss of a great tree, though I'm sure more trees will be planted that will one day be great for future generations.

    Where our anonymous activist looses my support is where he or she talks about the “unprecedented crowds” ruining their “peace and quiet.” In my humble opinion, building a carousel in the park will give kids today a chance to experience an attraction that kids have been enjoying for nearly a hundred years, and bring more families to the park to enjoy the phenomenal view.

    I understand that you want “peace and quiet,” but this isn't your park, it's all of ours. If you need to get away from people, there's always the beaches of long island, just a train ride away.

  • This reeks of NIMBYism from a anonymous kermudgen, bringing to mind the oft-lampooned quote: “you kids get off my lawn!”

    The sign poster certainly has a point about the loss of a great tree, though I'm sure more trees will be planted that will one day be great for future generations.

    Where our anonymous activist looses my support is where he or she talks about the “unprecedented crowds” ruining their “peace and quiet.” In my humble opinion, building a carousel in the park will give kids today a chance to experience an attraction that kids have been enjoying for nearly a hundred years, and bring more families to the park to enjoy the phenomenal view.

    I understand that you want “peace and quiet,” but this isn't your park, it's all of ours. If you need to get away from people, there's always the beaches of long island, just a train ride away.

  • What an absolutely absurd complaint. The carousel is going to be a wonderful addition to the park and to the future memories of many children.

  • What an absolutely absurd complaint. The carousel is going to be a wonderful addition to the park and to the future memories of many children.

  • This thing will break down and will end up smelling like urine.

  • This thing will break down and will end up smelling like urine.

  • walentas – not a fan
    carousel – fan.. looking forward to it.

    But what the heck is going on in there? Haven't seen anyone lift a finger since they closed the park. Has there been any actual work done or are we just looking longingly at a stagnant process?

  • walentas – not a fan
    carousel – fan.. looking forward to it.

    But what the heck is going on in there? Haven't seen anyone lift a finger since they closed the park. Has there been any actual work done or are we just looking longingly at a stagnant process?

  • Peace and quiet? Between the Manhattan bridge train lines and the new Liberty Tours helicopters, our peace and quiet was shattered long ago. A carousel's music would be a welcome improvement to the soundscape. As for the tree, another can be planted. The other accusations are the manipulative suppositions of a malcontent.

  • Peace and quiet? Between the Manhattan bridge train lines and the new Liberty Tours helicopters, our peace and quiet was shattered long ago. A carousel's music would be a welcome improvement to the soundscape. As for the tree, another can be planted. The other accusations are the manipulative suppositions of a malcontent.

  • Hey all you tree hugging idiots. Dumbo wasn't exactly a nature preserve that was invaded by evil stroller yuppies. It was a industrial warehouse district between two bridges and a noisy highway- nothing green about it. So to complain about a carousel ruining nature is just assinine. There would not even be an artifical park if the evil Walentas didn't develope dumbo into the yuppie haven it currently is. While I agree the Walentas are a-holes, the current Dumbo as you know it including its parks would not have existed without them.

    • Ahole. I hear what you're saying. But the Walentases have been rewarded for their risk in Dumbo, paid in full for their vision. And congratulations to them. Really. This doesn't mean that as a current home-owning resident I should temper my views of the neighbourhood out of gratitude for them. I'm not 100% clear on the history of Dumbo, but I'm not sure they created the parks did they? Even if they did, there is a point beyond which indulging their personal whims should not be tolerated. You are exactly right that this is an industrial neighbourhood. And you're exactly right that it's now filled with stroller-pushing yuppies. I am one of them. That is why I would like to preserve the one piece of shaded grass in the neighbourhood. Fried babies smell real bad.

  • Hey all you tree hugging idiots. Dumbo wasn't exactly a nature preserve that was invaded by evil stroller yuppies. It was a industrial warehouse district between two bridges and a noisy highway- nothing green about it. So to complain about a carousel ruining nature is just assinine. There would not even be an artifical park if the evil Walentas didn't develope dumbo into the yuppie haven it currently is. While I agree the Walentas are a-holes, the current Dumbo as you know it including its parks would not have existed without them.

    • Ahole. I hear what you're saying. But the Walentases have been rewarded for their risk in Dumbo, paid in full for their vision. And congratulations to them. Really. This doesn't mean that as a current home-owning resident I should temper my views of the neighbourhood out of gratitude for them. I'm not 100% clear on the history of Dumbo, but I'm not sure they created the parks did they? Even if they did, there is a point beyond which indulging their personal whims should not be tolerated. You are exactly right that this is an industrial neighbourhood. And you're exactly right that it's now filled with stroller-pushing yuppies. I am one of them. That is why I would like to preserve the one piece of shaded grass in the neighbourhood. Fried babies smell real bad.

  • We have 85 acres of new parkland coming over the next 3 years and you're complaining about losing green space? Hundreds of new tree's coming and you're upset that we'll lose one? Trains rattling, trucks honking, cars zooming… god forbid we have additional noise of children laughing. Wow… NIMBYISM at it's best.

    Bring on the carousel!

    • MIke.
      1. Check your tone. Be nice. Nobody's insulted your mother.
      2. Respect that people may be at different lifestage and need different things than you.
      Your point: 85 acres in 3 years.
      A parent's point: 3 years is a long time to wait for space, while a perfectly good park sits idle waiting for an antique to be installed. Should my 2 year old wait until she's five to run around the neighborhood?
      Your point: hundreds of trees coming.
      A parent's point: Really? Where are they going? Around the very edge of lawn you can't walk on for another year while the grass takes root (as is the case in Brooklyn Bridge Park). A sapling provides a very different shade to a mature tree. Where do kids go for shade in the meantime? Sincerely, look around this weekend. There is literally zero shade over any green space in this entire neighborhood.
      Please continue with your piercing insights into a child's life in Dumbo…

      • It amazes me how over-dramatic folks can be. 85 acres OVER three years, not IN three years. There's a difference. While we've temporarily lost access to Fulton Ferry park (trust me, I bummed about it too), we've gained 5 acres of the newly constructed park. 5 acres that includes plenty of green lawn space for our children to run and play. Not to mention the additional acres to be opened up latter this spring with the addition of a children's playground. Considering you are so positive about what “lifestage” I'm at, it's no wonder that you are also incorrect about the timeframe for opening up the new lawns at BBP. It will not take a year, as you over-dramatically state… the lawns will be opened to the public very shortly, possibly within the month. Yep… the same lawn we will be watching 'Movies with a View' on this summer.
        As for 'shade', did you forget that Dumbo was not long ago an industrial area without so much as a blade of grass? Progress takes time, tree's won't grow overnight but be thankful that hundreds are being planted and in a year we will re-gain our beloved Fulton Ferry park along with acres more of green space along the waterfront… and a carousel 😉

      • Why live in a pseudo-industrial urban neighborhood if you crave trees so much? I love the dumbo the way it is and find the parks a nice bonus. I didn't buy my condo in Dumbo with the expectation that it would be like the tree-lined suburbs which seems more appropriate for you and your kid. My future kid will not be emotionally scared because there is a sapling instead of a full grown tree in the park. I am a current Yuppie, future stroller pusher.

        • Guys (assuming both of you are, apologies if you're a lady ahole, ahole). You both make sound points. Let's not bicker like other anonymous trolls and haters. My point is why put the carousel in the one spot that currently has the only tree? Why not atop the hill in the other bit of the park? Why not in the 85 acres you mention?
          Putting aside our lifestages & personal philosophies about urbanization, surely you must agree that cutting down a mature tree that doesn't need to be cut down is not the best decision.

  • We have 85 acres of new parkland coming over the next 3 years and you're complaining about losing green space? Hundreds of new tree's coming and you're upset that we'll lose one? Trains rattling, trucks honking, cars zooming… god forbid we have additional noise of children laughing. Wow… NIMBYISM at it's best.

    Bring on the carousel!

    • MIke.
      1. Check your tone. Be nice. Nobody's insulted your mother.
      2. Respect that people may be at different lifestage and need different things than you.
      Your point: 85 acres in 3 years.
      A parent's point: 3 years is a long time to wait for space, while a perfectly good park sits idle waiting for an antique to be installed. Should my 2 year old wait until she's five to run around the neighborhood?
      Your point: hundreds of trees coming.
      A parent's point: Really? Where are they going? Around the very edge of lawn you can't walk on for another year while the grass takes root (as is the case in Brooklyn Bridge Park). A sapling provides a very different shade to a mature tree. Where do kids go for shade in the meantime? Sincerely, look around this weekend. There is literally zero shade over any green space in this entire neighborhood.
      Please continue with your piercing insights into a child's life in Dumbo…

      • It amazes me how over-dramatic folks can be. 85 acres OVER three years, not IN three years. There's a difference. While we've temporarily lost access to Fulton Ferry park (trust me, I bummed about it too), we've gained 5 acres of the newly constructed park. 5 acres that includes plenty of green lawn space for our children to run and play. Not to mention the additional acres to be opened up latter this spring with the addition of a children's playground. Considering you are so positive about what “lifestage” I'm at, it's no wonder that you are also incorrect about the timeframe for opening up the new lawns at BBP. It will not take a year, as you over-dramatically state… the lawns will be opened to the public very shortly, possibly within the month. Yep… the same lawn we will be watching 'Movies with a View' on this summer.
        As for 'shade', did you forget that Dumbo was not long ago an industrial area without so much as a blade of grass? Progress takes time, tree's won't grow overnight but be thankful that hundreds are being planted and in a year we will re-gain our beloved Fulton Ferry park along with acres more of green space along the waterfront… and a carousel 😉

      • Why live in a pseudo-industrial urban neighborhood if you crave trees so much? I love the dumbo the way it is and find the parks a nice bonus. I didn't buy my condo in Dumbo with the expectation that it would be like the tree-lined suburbs which seems more appropriate for you and your kid. My future kid will not be emotionally scared because there is a sapling instead of a full grown tree in the park. I am a current Yuppie, future stroller pusher.

        • Guys (assuming both of you are, apologies if you're a lady ahole, ahole). You both make sound points. Let's not bicker like other anonymous trolls and haters. My point is why put the carousel in the one spot that currently has the only tree? Why not atop the hill in the other bit of the park? Why not in the 85 acres you mention?
          Putting aside our lifestages & personal philosophies about urbanization, surely you must agree that cutting down a mature tree that doesn't need to be cut down is not the best decision.

  • To the original sign poster, who said that Walentas, “developer already responsible for several Dumbo eyesores”, what eyesores? They converted the Gair buildings into lofts. Those are by far the best looking buildings in Dumbo, including the Fulton Ferry townhomes that are crumbling at the foundations. Dock Street Dumbo will be the first building that the Walentas' will build from scratch in Dumbo. Whether or not that is an eyesore is yet to be determined. Where are the Walentas eyesores?

  • To the original sign poster, who said that Walentas, “developer already responsible for several Dumbo eyesores”, what eyesores? They converted the Gair buildings into lofts. Those are by far the best looking buildings in Dumbo, including the Fulton Ferry townhomes that are crumbling at the foundations. Dock Street Dumbo will be the first building that the Walentas' will build from scratch in Dumbo. Whether or not that is an eyesore is yet to be determined. Where are the Walentas eyesores?

  • I have lived here since the 1970's and I really wish the yuppies would leave. It was much better with the crack heads, at least there was a defense.

    • I have lived here since the 1950's. I wish you hippies would leave.

      • I wish all of you would leave. The dark alleys and streets made good digs. Getting spare change was easier the one or two people brave enough to live here always gave money out of fear, we would just follow them. Now, we have to skim through about 50 of you people just to get enough for some scratch!, Back then, cigs were cheap, and sometimes even free! Also, the place was so dead, that sometimes, the dead were dropped off on some of the corners. Now, rather than corpses, there are 'families' with their 'children' and their 'gentrification'. Rather than putrid decaying docks, there are 'parks' and 'carousels'.

  • I have lived here since the 1970's and I really wish the yuppies would leave. It was much better with the crack heads, at least there was a defense.

    • I have lived here since the 1950's. I wish you hippies would leave.

      • I wish all of you would leave. The dark alleys and streets made good digs. Getting spare change was easier the one or two people brave enough to live here always gave money out of fear, we would just follow them. Now, we have to skim through about 50 of you people just to get enough for some scratch!, Back then, cigs were cheap, and sometimes even free! Also, the place was so dead, that sometimes, the dead were dropped off on some of the corners. Now, rather than corpses, there are 'families' with their 'children' and their 'gentrification'. Rather than putrid decaying docks, there are 'parks' and 'carousels'.

  • It'd be a real shame to lose that willowy tree in BBP. That tree really makes the park – and there's nothing like it around or planned. Why not just keep the carosel in the building its in now, and open it to the public there? Why does NY have to build on everything green.

  • It'd be a real shame to lose that willowy tree in BBP. That tree really makes the park – and there's nothing like it around or planned. Why not just keep the carosel in the building its in now, and open it to the public there? Why does NY have to build on everything green.

  • This map shows where the carousel is planned to go. As far as I can tell, the willow tree would be spared. (I'm not thrilled with the loss of lawn or partial blocking of the water view. I agree that the carousel doesn't belong in Fulton Ferry Park, which is great as is.)

    http://www.brooklynbridgeparknyc.org/interactiv

    (The carousel is the orange dot between the Picnic Grove and the water. The “construction” icon on the map seems to indicate a general state of renovation, not a particular area slated for destruction.)

  • This map shows where the carousel is planned to go. As far as I can tell, the willow tree would be spared. (I'm not thrilled with the loss of lawn or partial blocking of the water view. I agree that the carousel doesn't belong in Fulton Ferry Park, which is great as is.)

    http://www.brooklynbridgeparknyc.org/interactiv

    (The carousel is the orange dot between the Picnic Grove and the water. The “construction” icon on the map seems to indicate a general state of renovation, not a particular area slated for destruction.)

  • All this talk about green space and new parks and blah blah blah. I believe that the same entity that will run the new park is the same one running the Brooklyn Bridge Park at the end of Main Street. If their maintenance of that park is any indication then we are doomed to have 85 acres of trash, poorly kept grass and rat infested “park”. They seem to be spending millions on the new development when they don't even take care of the small space they have. Anyone seen the trash in that place? Not just weekends, any morning. A couple of cans would help and how about someone to pick it up? How much can that cost given the money being spent down the road? Acres of new sod in the Pier 1 area but they barely keep the Main Street area mowed. The closing of Empire Fulton will be the doom of the Main Street park unless someone starts paying attention to it. The traffic will kill it.

  • All this talk about green space and new parks and blah blah blah. I believe that the same entity that will run the new park is the same one running the Brooklyn Bridge Park at the end of Main Street. If their maintenance of that park is any indication then we are doomed to have 85 acres of trash, poorly kept grass and rat infested “park”. They seem to be spending millions on the new development when they don't even take care of the small space they have. Anyone seen the trash in that place? Not just weekends, any morning. A couple of cans would help and how about someone to pick it up? How much can that cost given the money being spent down the road? Acres of new sod in the Pier 1 area but they barely keep the Main Street area mowed. The closing of Empire Fulton will be the doom of the Main Street park unless someone starts paying attention to it. The traffic will kill it.

  • I can say it any better than stated on the posted sign. Stupid idea in a once peaceful park with trees. I dislike greatly the influence of the Wallentas family on this neigborhood. Stop! A glassed corousel doesn't belong. Stupid people who approve these gimick projects.

  • I can say it any better than stated on the posted sign. Stupid idea in a once peaceful park with trees. I dislike greatly the influence of the Wallentas family on this neigborhood. Stop! A glassed corousel doesn't belong. Stupid people who approve these gimick projects.

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