LPC on 192 Water and 9 Old Fulton Streets

Old Fulton Street

192 Water Street:

The Landmarks Preservation Commission approved a certificate of appropriateness to amend previous approval to alter ground floor and install a marquee in their last meeting for 192 Water Street. As previously noted, the owners are converting the ground floor and lower floor into a 250 person live performance theatre and plan on creating 10 condominium units on floors three through five.

9 Old Fulton Street:

Also, in an upcoming hearing on May 5, 2009, the LPC will be reviewing an application for 9 Old Fulton Street in the Fulton Ferry Historic District, a vacant lot, to construct a four-story building with a one-story penthouse (Zoned M2-1). According to the Fulton Ferry Landing Association, “the application was approved by the CB2 Land Use Committee over several no votes; a motion to approve without a rooftop “mezzanine” was defeated by one vote.” They follow with:

“The design has been described to us as a penthouse “cube” on top of the 4-story building. We have concerns that the bulkhead will encroach on the view of the Bridge, will be seen from the street, and will be inconsistent with the historic character of this row of houses, whose history extends back to the 1830’s. A Public viewing of the plans will be held at the Landmarks Preservation Commission office, 1 Centre Street, May 1st followed by a Public Hearing on Tuesday, May 5th, starting at 9:30 am on the 9th floor. If you are interested please come, see for yourself, and most importantly, speak to the LPC on May 5th about the importance of maintaining the character of this historic neighborhood.”

If anyone has design renderings, please email us.

Previously:
{Stop Work Order Issued at 192 Water Street, 06Jan2009}
{192 Water Street Construction Moving Forward, 23Jul2008}
{Condo and Theatre Conversion at 192 Water Street, 02Jan2008}

68 Comment

  • We’re in a recession, the housing market has collapsed, rents are down, sale prices are down, nobody can get mortgages, and still we’re building more housing?? I don’t get it. Why not use this lot as a courtyard for the restaurant that they’re building in 7 Old Fulton. It used to have a door into the courtyard, but I noticed that they bricked it off, probably in anticipation of building this.

    I live next door, and I’m hoping to be able to go to the May 5th hearing to recommend that if they must build this building, that it be required to be in keeping with the design and height of the surrounding buildings. Everybody has seen that gaudy, out-of-place 6 story stucko building that they threw up right behind this lot, and I just want to be sure that nothing like that is going to be disgracing our block too.

  • We’re in a recession, the housing market has collapsed, rents are down, sale prices are down, nobody can get mortgages, and still we’re building more housing?? I don’t get it. Why not use this lot as a courtyard for the restaurant that they’re building in 7 Old Fulton. It used to have a door into the courtyard, but I noticed that they bricked it off, probably in anticipation of building this.

    I live next door, and I’m hoping to be able to go to the May 5th hearing to recommend that if they must build this building, that it be required to be in keeping with the design and height of the surrounding buildings. Everybody has seen that gaudy, out-of-place 6 story stucko building that they threw up right behind this lot, and I just want to be sure that nothing like that is going to be disgracing our block too.

  • View of the bride?! WTF. it’s the friggin approach span. These people are retarded.

  • View of the bride?! WTF. it’s the friggin approach span. These people are retarded.

  • Here’s an idea, let’s build an 18 story tower there!

  • Here’s an idea, let’s build an 18 story tower there!

  • Retarded?

    Nah, retarded is someone who calls himself ‘Brooklyn Love’ and has no appreciation for Brooklyn, it’s history or his neighbors.

    Retarded is someone who fails to read the news, understand the economy and thinks they have an opinion that actually matters. That’s retarded.

  • Retarded?

    Nah, retarded is someone who calls himself ‘Brooklyn Love’ and has no appreciation for Brooklyn, it’s history or his neighbors.

    Retarded is someone who fails to read the news, understand the economy and thinks they have an opinion that actually matters. That’s retarded.

  • No2 – the irrationality and inability to think reasonably you have consistently demonstrated on this board squarely places you in the irrelevancy bucket.

    a microscope into your twisted reality: the walentas building continues to get approved at every level because it fairly balances and addresses all concerns and provides an obvious net benefit to the effected interests. however in your loony toon bunker, there is a conspiracy theory driving all of this.

    did you ever stop to think that maybe YOU don’t get it? take an objective view.

    as for reading news and understanding the economy, your posts consistently evidence an clear failing grade.

  • No2 – the irrationality and inability to think reasonably you have consistently demonstrated on this board squarely places you in the irrelevancy bucket.

    a microscope into your twisted reality: the walentas building continues to get approved at every level because it fairly balances and addresses all concerns and provides an obvious net benefit to the effected interests. however in your loony toon bunker, there is a conspiracy theory driving all of this.

    did you ever stop to think that maybe YOU don’t get it? take an objective view.

    as for reading news and understanding the economy, your posts consistently evidence an clear failing grade.

  • Yawn, and yet you are in a minority view. You fail to address the petitions, the neighborhood association and the out right disapproval from the public, historians and council members who have repeatedly voiced their opposition.

    You consistently label the opposition as conspiracy theorists, retards and loonies, and when you have the same negativity thrown in your face, you cry and whine that people who oppose your view have an inability to think.

    So in all fairness, please, for the sake of your side, tell us where the tenants for this building will come from? Mars? Venus? Jupiter? The ENTIRE world is in trouble, no one is looking to move to NYC anytime soon. Perhaps you should worship developers like Silverstein who have a grasp on reality.

    You don’t even want to address the economy because it is an argument you can’t win, so you again, label anyone with those concerns retards.

    Approval because it fairly balances all sides? Really, you are in a bubble. Why is the DNA, BHA and VHNA still opposed? Are they all conspiracy theorists?

    “as for reading news and understanding the economy, your posts consistently evidence an clear failing grade.”

    Oh, so the economy isn’t in trouble, because I post about it? Are you really that dense? Perhaps you should not shoot the messenger and think of an economic rationale for over developing brooklyn when people are losing their jobs at an alarming rate.

  • Yawn, and yet you are in a minority view. You fail to address the petitions, the neighborhood association and the out right disapproval from the public, historians and council members who have repeatedly voiced their opposition.

    You consistently label the opposition as conspiracy theorists, retards and loonies, and when you have the same negativity thrown in your face, you cry and whine that people who oppose your view have an inability to think.

    So in all fairness, please, for the sake of your side, tell us where the tenants for this building will come from? Mars? Venus? Jupiter? The ENTIRE world is in trouble, no one is looking to move to NYC anytime soon. Perhaps you should worship developers like Silverstein who have a grasp on reality.

    You don’t even want to address the economy because it is an argument you can’t win, so you again, label anyone with those concerns retards.

    Approval because it fairly balances all sides? Really, you are in a bubble. Why is the DNA, BHA and VHNA still opposed? Are they all conspiracy theorists?

    “as for reading news and understanding the economy, your posts consistently evidence an clear failing grade.”

    Oh, so the economy isn’t in trouble, because I post about it? Are you really that dense? Perhaps you should not shoot the messenger and think of an economic rationale for over developing brooklyn when people are losing their jobs at an alarming rate.

  • that yawn must be due to lack of oxygen to your brain, which explains the out of touch deluge that follows. your scope is too narrow, and your superficial analysis of the economy is irrelevant. you are the sole inhabitant of your bubble world – which takes us back to the unibomber comparison.

  • that yawn must be due to lack of oxygen to your brain, which explains the out of touch deluge that follows. your scope is too narrow, and your superficial analysis of the economy is irrelevant. you are the sole inhabitant of your bubble world – which takes us back to the unibomber comparison.

  • No, the yawn is why I even entertain a troll like yourself.

    Out of touch? Stop describing yourself, it is really boring. So according to you, or how you see reality the following isn’t true

    <a href=”http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/hr/content_display/features/people/e3i888016761f9ec824bce4d80e4132fa49″. Hollywood reporter

    “Gabriel Byrne, Helen Hunt and Gary Sinise are among a group of celebrities speaking out against a planned building in Brooklyn that critics say would block views of the Brooklyn Bridge and its anchoring presence in the neighborhood, an activist group said Wednesday. ”

    And you liken me to Ted Kaczynski?

    Please, you are the one living inside a shack.

    I am sure you will soon invoke Godwin’s Law? [Google it genius}

    So you still can’t explain where the tenants will come from then?

    I WIN.

  • No, the yawn is why I even entertain a troll like yourself.

    Out of touch? Stop describing yourself, it is really boring. So according to you, or how you see reality the following isn’t true

    <a href=”http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/hr/content_display/features/people/e3i888016761f9ec824bce4d80e4132fa49″. Hollywood reporter

    “Gabriel Byrne, Helen Hunt and Gary Sinise are among a group of celebrities speaking out against a planned building in Brooklyn that critics say would block views of the Brooklyn Bridge and its anchoring presence in the neighborhood, an activist group said Wednesday. ”

    And you liken me to Ted Kaczynski?

    Please, you are the one living inside a shack.

    I am sure you will soon invoke Godwin’s Law? [Google it genius}

    So you still can’t explain where the tenants will come from then?

    I WIN.

  • BrooklynLove = troll

  • BrooklynLove = troll

  • Does the troll want to live under the Bridge?

  • Does the troll want to live under the Bridge?

  • Hey No2 – how wold were you when you spoted your first Publius hair?

  • Hey No2 – how wold were you when you spoted your first Publius hair?

  • wold’s a word? Is that troll speak? Perhaps you could supply a dictionary for troll-speak as I am unfamiliar with that word.

  • wold’s a word? Is that troll speak? Perhaps you could supply a dictionary for troll-speak as I am unfamiliar with that word.

  • would you like to be my spell check? shine my shoes as well and you’re hired.

  • would you like to be my spell check? shine my shoes as well and you’re hired.

  • I stand corrected!

    Wold is a word after all!

    http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/wold

    1.: a usually upland area of open country

    Don’t know if Publius hair is in the open country, but this is Brooklyn.

    Perhaps this is a clue to your place of birth Brooklyn Love?

  • I stand corrected!

    Wold is a word after all!

    http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/wold

    1.: a usually upland area of open country

    Don’t know if Publius hair is in the open country, but this is Brooklyn.

    Perhaps this is a clue to your place of birth Brooklyn Love?

  • Trolls wear shoes? What size?

  • Trolls wear shoes? What size?

  • Congratulations BL, you’re neck and neck with stool as biggest d-bag on this board. I bet your mother is proud.

  • Congratulations BL, you’re neck and neck with stool as biggest d-bag on this board. I bet your mother is proud.

  • Where is DUH? I mean duhvoyager…oh I’m sorry davoyager. I have been expecting his judgment about who loves brooklyn or not.

  • Where is DUH? I mean duhvoyager…oh I’m sorry davoyager. I have been expecting his judgment about who loves brooklyn or not.

  • Silly wabbit

  • Silly wabbit

  • You’re pretty good at name calling, Publius Hair. How about we meet outside after school by the playground and settle this?

    You are useless.

  • You’re pretty good at name calling, Publius Hair. How about we meet outside after school by the playground and settle this?

    You are useless.

  • You’re proving my point.

  • You’re proving my point.

  • kids, kids…go outside and play. the grown ups need to talk

  • kids, kids…go outside and play. the grown ups need to talk

  • You don’t have a point. that’s the problem.

  • You don’t have a point. that’s the problem.

  • Still can’t explain where the tenants for all these buildings will come from, can you?

  • Still can’t explain where the tenants for all these buildings will come from, can you?

  • Believe it or not Number 2, there are people living in NYC who are not reduced to giving hand jobs on Wall street. They will push into Dumbo because this is a less desirable neighborhood and more affordable. Furthermore as middle level managers continue their lemmingesgue departures the prices will continue to drop. Loose Stool predicts Section 8’s moving into J Condo in the near future.

  • Believe it or not Number 2, there are people living in NYC who are not reduced to giving hand jobs on Wall street. They will push into Dumbo because this is a less desirable neighborhood and more affordable. Furthermore as middle level managers continue their lemmingesgue departures the prices will continue to drop. Loose Stool predicts Section 8’s moving into J Condo in the near future.

  • lemmingesque Where’s my spell check Number 2?

  • lemmingesque Where’s my spell check Number 2?

  • No2 – water pumps are cheaper when no one is drinking.

    where is nyc’s population and wealth today compared to where it was at the bottoming of the economy in the early 2000s recession? do the same trough to trough comparisons over the previous 3 recessions. then compare to overall nation and largest US cities trends. you should also look at the relative growth trends for nyc suburbs vs. 5 boros over that time span.

    point is that if you’re judging demand solely by the current state of the economy then you’re lost.

  • No2 – water pumps are cheaper when no one is drinking.

    where is nyc’s population and wealth today compared to where it was at the bottoming of the economy in the early 2000s recession? do the same trough to trough comparisons over the previous 3 recessions. then compare to overall nation and largest US cities trends. you should also look at the relative growth trends for nyc suburbs vs. 5 boros over that time span.

    point is that if you’re judging demand solely by the current state of the economy then you’re lost.

  • “There are three kinds of lies: lies, damned lies, and statistics.” – Benjamin Disraeli

    To compare this current recession to the past three is dishonest. The causes are not the same, and the impact is different.

    Statistical science borders on pseudo-science as you can use numbers to support any argument, 3 out of 4 people know that.

    The only way a true recovery will come is when greed gets regulated and called out for what it is, greed. This entire process has been corrupted and does not reflect the view of the community.

  • “There are three kinds of lies: lies, damned lies, and statistics.” – Benjamin Disraeli

    To compare this current recession to the past three is dishonest. The causes are not the same, and the impact is different.

    Statistical science borders on pseudo-science as you can use numbers to support any argument, 3 out of 4 people know that.

    The only way a true recovery will come is when greed gets regulated and called out for what it is, greed. This entire process has been corrupted and does not reflect the view of the community.

  • sorry to disappoint your predictions of doom but the recession is already turning around. This time next year will be as different from today as today is from a year ago. The world is not coming to an end just yet.

  • sorry to disappoint your predictions of doom but the recession is already turning around. This time next year will be as different from today as today is from a year ago. The world is not coming to an end just yet.

  • Oh yeah….the ‘recession is turning around’ argument we have been hearing since it began. Does Karl Rove write your material?

  • Oh yeah….the ‘recession is turning around’ argument we have been hearing since it began. Does Karl Rove write your material?

  • Retarded?

    Nah, retarded is someone who calls himself 'Brooklyn Love' and has no appreciation for Brooklyn, it's history or his neighbors.

    Retarded is someone who fails to read the news, understand the economy and thinks they have an opinion that actually matters. That's retarded.

  • Retarded?

    Nah, retarded is someone who calls himself 'Brooklyn Love' and has no appreciation for Brooklyn, it's history or his neighbors.

    Retarded is someone who fails to read the news, understand the economy and thinks they have an opinion that actually matters. That's retarded.

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