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	<title>Comments on: CB2 Land Use Committee Member&#8217;s Open Letter About Dock St Dumbo</title>
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		<title>By: Dumbo NYC, Brooklyn &#187; Archive &#187; New FOIL Docs from SCA Reveal its Own Architect Didn&#8217;t Give Dock St. School a Passing Grade in 2007 (DumboNYC.com)</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dumbo NYC, Brooklyn &#187; Archive &#187; New FOIL Docs from SCA Reveal its Own Architect Didn&#8217;t Give Dock St. School a Passing Grade in 2007 (DumboNYC.com)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Sep 2009 14:22:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] on Dock St School Alternatives (w/ FOIL Docs) - Dock Street Dumbo Opposition Rally at City Hall - CB2 Land Use Committee Member’s Open Letter About Dock St Dumbo - Two Trees’ Land Use Counsel’s Response to CB2 Land Use Committee Member’s Open Letter - [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] on Dock St School Alternatives (w/ FOIL Docs) &#8211; Dock Street Dumbo Opposition Rally at City Hall &#8211; CB2 Land Use Committee Member’s Open Letter About Dock St Dumbo &#8211; Two Trees’ Land Use Counsel’s Response to CB2 Land Use Committee Member’s Open Letter &#8211; [...]</p>
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		<title>By: cm</title>
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		<dc:creator>cm</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Jun 2009 01:29:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i have a property in dumbo 90000sf ready to go for a school and a good price  dumbobridge@gmail.com</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i have a property in dumbo 90000sf ready to go for a school and a good price  <a href="mailto:dumbobridge@gmail.com">dumbobridge@gmail.com</a></p>
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		<title>By: Dock Street Press Conference in DUMBO tomorrow &#171; Fulton Ferry Landing Association</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dock Street Press Conference in DUMBO tomorrow &#171; Fulton Ferry Landing Association</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 May 2009 19:08:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] For an additional background story about the FOIL request that revealed the improprieties, please see this post at Dumbonyc. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] For an additional background story about the FOIL request that revealed the improprieties, please see this post at Dumbonyc. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Dumbo NYC, Brooklyn &#187; Archive &#187; Two Trees&#8217; Land Use Counsel&#8217;s Response to CB2 Land Use Committee Member’s Open Letter (DumboNYC.com)</title>
		<link>http://dumbonyc.com/2009/05/26/cb2-land-use-committee-members-open-letter-about-dock-st-dumbo/comment-page-1/#comment-43005</link>
		<dc:creator>Dumbo NYC, Brooklyn &#187; Archive &#187; Two Trees&#8217; Land Use Counsel&#8217;s Response to CB2 Land Use Committee Member’s Open Letter (DumboNYC.com)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 May 2009 22:23:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Fisher, the Two Trees&#8217; Land Use Counsel, who emailed us the below letter in response to Andrew Stengel&#8217;s open letter about the Dock Street Dumbo development posted earlier this week. As a forum to provide all sides [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Fisher, the Two Trees&#8217; Land Use Counsel, who emailed us the below letter in response to Andrew Stengel&#8217;s open letter about the Dock Street Dumbo development posted earlier this week. As a forum to provide all sides [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Publius</title>
		<link>http://dumbonyc.com/2009/05/26/cb2-land-use-committee-members-open-letter-about-dock-st-dumbo/comment-page-1/#comment-43003</link>
		<dc:creator>Publius</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 May 2009 20:52:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>At the December 2008 CB2 meeting, when Jeb Walentas was directly asked if Two Trees has financing lined up for the Dock Street Dumbo project, he flatly said &quot;No.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>At the December 2008 CB2 meeting, when Jeb Walentas was directly asked if Two Trees has financing lined up for the Dock Street Dumbo project, he flatly said &#8220;No.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: dk2</title>
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		<dc:creator>dk2</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 May 2009 20:39:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Two Trees has been trying to sell their Bridgehampton farm since August 2008 (still on the market), possibly to raise some extra cash to make these projects happen. It was listed for $95 million, but I think it&#039;s been reduced since.

http://www.27east.com/story_detail.cfm?id=160648</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Two Trees has been trying to sell their Bridgehampton farm since August 2008 (still on the market), possibly to raise some extra cash to make these projects happen. It was listed for $95 million, but I think it&#8217;s been reduced since.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.27east.com/story_detail.cfm?id=160648" rel="nofollow">http://www.27east.com/story_detail.cfm?id=160648</a></p>
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		<title>By: anon</title>
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		<dc:creator>anon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 May 2009 18:45:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Walentas is not in great as shape as you might think. TT has over $100m sunk into their Hell&#039;s Kitchen project which is also facing major difficulties. In fact, they just did a cash out refi on one of their Dumbo buildings to free up funds for that HK project. I don&#039;t know the intricacies of their financial situation but at this point in time I don&#039;t think we can assume any company is all that stable.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Walentas is not in great as shape as you might think. TT has over $100m sunk into their Hell&#8217;s Kitchen project which is also facing major difficulties. In fact, they just did a cash out refi on one of their Dumbo buildings to free up funds for that HK project. I don&#8217;t know the intricacies of their financial situation but at this point in time I don&#8217;t think we can assume any company is all that stable.</p>
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		<title>By: No One Of Consequence</title>
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		<dc:creator>No One Of Consequence</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 May 2009 18:44:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks, I also (should have in the first place) looked it up on wikipedia.

To simplify it, Walentas gifts the space to DOE. DOE sells to another party, which then leases the space back to DOE. DOE uses proceeds from the sale to pay for the build-out. DOE pays annual(?) rent to the purchasing party.

You are correct about the over-leveraging of other properties. I also wouldn&#039;t necessarily attribute financial stability to Walentas as they would need to secure financing to complete the project. Perhaps you are saying that they are not over-leveraged on their properties (that we seem to be aware of, at least).

The problem I still see with the sale-leaseback is that it is still contrary to the statement of “no money to build, rent, or buy a school” as in the end they&#039;re still paying rent to someone.
This is where the political shenanigans come into play... how is it that suddenly paying this rent is affordable?
Based on what we know from the FOIL docs and lobbying (in all its forms) it is not unreasonable to conclude there is something fishy going on.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks, I also (should have in the first place) looked it up on wikipedia.</p>
<p>To simplify it, Walentas gifts the space to DOE. DOE sells to another party, which then leases the space back to DOE. DOE uses proceeds from the sale to pay for the build-out. DOE pays annual(?) rent to the purchasing party.</p>
<p>You are correct about the over-leveraging of other properties. I also wouldn&#8217;t necessarily attribute financial stability to Walentas as they would need to secure financing to complete the project. Perhaps you are saying that they are not over-leveraged on their properties (that we seem to be aware of, at least).</p>
<p>The problem I still see with the sale-leaseback is that it is still contrary to the statement of “no money to build, rent, or buy a school” as in the end they&#8217;re still paying rent to someone.<br />
This is where the political shenanigans come into play&#8230; how is it that suddenly paying this rent is affordable?<br />
Based on what we know from the FOIL docs and lobbying (in all its forms) it is not unreasonable to conclude there is something fishy going on.</p>
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		<title>By: Carlo Trigiani</title>
		<link>http://dumbonyc.com/2009/05/26/cb2-land-use-committee-members-open-letter-about-dock-st-dumbo/comment-page-1/#comment-42999</link>
		<dc:creator>Carlo Trigiani</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 May 2009 18:13:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sale-leaseback transactions are very common in corporate America.  I can&#039;t recall any expert who has cited sale-leasebacks as being a contributor to the recession.  

Respectfully, let me try to explain it. 

Walentas gives the DOE the condo ownership interest in the 45,742 square foot middle school space.  He builds the shell as agreed to in writing.  Typically, shell includes walls, windows, doors, roof, floor, basic plumbing, electric and HVAC.  The DOE determines what the market rental rate is for the space and how long a lease they&#039;d like to sign.  The term might be 50 years with options to renew.  The market will determine how the DOE can maximize the return.

Once those key variables are determined, the DOE markets the sale-leaseback to the investment community.  The investor pays the DOE a lump sum of cash in exchange for signing a long term lease with the obligation to make future lease payments.

It&#039;s done all the time by the DOE.  It gives the government the ability to raise much needed funds today to open new schools.  It&#039;s done everyday in corporate America.  Corporations would rather deploy their capital in areas other than real estate.

As you point out, alternatively, the DOE could take the 99-year lease for a $1 and yes - they would have to come up with the cash or issue bonds to raise the money to build out the school.

I can hear the &quot;shill&quot; callers already but it&#039;s important to make this point - Walentas&#039;s financial stability is another advantage he has over the competition.  So called alternative sites 20 Henry and 360 Furman are reportedly over leveraged to the point of foreclosure.  Those may be examples of the &quot;BS that the financial and real estate sectors have pulled&quot;, as you have put it.  More the reason to negotiate with Walentas - he knows what he&#039;s doing.

Sincerely.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sale-leaseback transactions are very common in corporate America.  I can&#8217;t recall any expert who has cited sale-leasebacks as being a contributor to the recession.  </p>
<p>Respectfully, let me try to explain it. </p>
<p>Walentas gives the DOE the condo ownership interest in the 45,742 square foot middle school space.  He builds the shell as agreed to in writing.  Typically, shell includes walls, windows, doors, roof, floor, basic plumbing, electric and HVAC.  The DOE determines what the market rental rate is for the space and how long a lease they&#8217;d like to sign.  The term might be 50 years with options to renew.  The market will determine how the DOE can maximize the return.</p>
<p>Once those key variables are determined, the DOE markets the sale-leaseback to the investment community.  The investor pays the DOE a lump sum of cash in exchange for signing a long term lease with the obligation to make future lease payments.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s done all the time by the DOE.  It gives the government the ability to raise much needed funds today to open new schools.  It&#8217;s done everyday in corporate America.  Corporations would rather deploy their capital in areas other than real estate.</p>
<p>As you point out, alternatively, the DOE could take the 99-year lease for a $1 and yes &#8211; they would have to come up with the cash or issue bonds to raise the money to build out the school.</p>
<p>I can hear the &#8220;shill&#8221; callers already but it&#8217;s important to make this point &#8211; Walentas&#8217;s financial stability is another advantage he has over the competition.  So called alternative sites 20 Henry and 360 Furman are reportedly over leveraged to the point of foreclosure.  Those may be examples of the &#8220;BS that the financial and real estate sectors have pulled&#8221;, as you have put it.  More the reason to negotiate with Walentas &#8211; he knows what he&#8217;s doing.</p>
<p>Sincerely.</p>
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		<title>By: No One Of Consequence</title>
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		<dc:creator>No One Of Consequence</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 May 2009 16:49:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Seems to me like the sale-leaseback option is akin to the BS that the financial and real estate sectors have pulled which has the economy where it is now. Maybe I don&#039;t fully understand it, but how would they sell/leaseback the condo space and use it at the same time?
The alternative you propose, would still require cash (or sale of bonds?) to finance, and is what I was talking about in my previous post. I believe the numbers I&#039;ve seen bandied about are in the $43-50MM range.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Seems to me like the sale-leaseback option is akin to the BS that the financial and real estate sectors have pulled which has the economy where it is now. Maybe I don&#8217;t fully understand it, but how would they sell/leaseback the condo space and use it at the same time?<br />
The alternative you propose, would still require cash (or sale of bonds?) to finance, and is what I was talking about in my previous post. I believe the numbers I&#8217;ve seen bandied about are in the $43-50MM range.</p>
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		<title>By: Carlo Trigiani</title>
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		<dc:creator>Carlo Trigiani</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 May 2009 16:32:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>NOOC, 

The money for the buildout would come from a sale-leaseback of the condo interest.  As an alternative, the city could opt for the 99-year lease at $1 a year and fund the buildout themselves.

The $43 million in the proposed budget seems high.  That&#039;s $940 per square foot.  I&#039;m sure the SCA has cushion built in.  Let&#039;s engage the SCA and DOE with the help of our local councilman and get some answers - solve our problem - get the best deal we can.

Get the specifics in writing - including a detailed description of &quot;shell&quot;.  This is the job of our city council.

Sincerely.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>NOOC, </p>
<p>The money for the buildout would come from a sale-leaseback of the condo interest.  As an alternative, the city could opt for the 99-year lease at $1 a year and fund the buildout themselves.</p>
<p>The $43 million in the proposed budget seems high.  That&#8217;s $940 per square foot.  I&#8217;m sure the SCA has cushion built in.  Let&#8217;s engage the SCA and DOE with the help of our local councilman and get some answers &#8211; solve our problem &#8211; get the best deal we can.</p>
<p>Get the specifics in writing &#8211; including a detailed description of &#8220;shell&#8221;.  This is the job of our city council.</p>
<p>Sincerely.</p>
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		<title>By: No One Of Consequence</title>
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		<dc:creator>No One Of Consequence</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 May 2009 15:33:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>DA, you use the world&#039;s most worst logic.

You say &quot;no money to build, rent, or buy a school&quot; while you know full well that what they&#039;re offering is a shell which will require a similar amount of money to build out and furnish. Where is that money going to come from?

And you should know from past &quot;deals&quot; that when Walentas says &quot;shell&quot; they mean nothing extra... down to non-included closet doors in condos, so don&#039;t count on their charity to go any further.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>DA, you use the world&#8217;s most worst logic.</p>
<p>You say &#8220;no money to build, rent, or buy a school&#8221; while you know full well that what they&#8217;re offering is a shell which will require a similar amount of money to build out and furnish. Where is that money going to come from?</p>
<p>And you should know from past &#8220;deals&#8221; that when Walentas says &#8220;shell&#8221; they mean nothing extra&#8230; down to non-included closet doors in condos, so don&#8217;t count on their charity to go any further.</p>
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		<title>By: dumbostreets</title>
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		<dc:creator>dumbostreets</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 May 2009 12:59:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>DV:
The only ones &quot;earning their coin&quot; are the politicians who voted for this project... and that has been demonstrated.

You are making these assertions about the opposition, but all the evidence of payola is on Walentas&#039; side.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>DV:<br />
The only ones &#8220;earning their coin&#8221; are the politicians who voted for this project&#8230; and that has been demonstrated.</p>
<p>You are making these assertions about the opposition, but all the evidence of payola is on Walentas&#8217; side.</p>
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		<title>By: winkidink</title>
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		<dc:creator>winkidink</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 May 2009 05:55:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m so turned on right now.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m so turned on right now.</p>
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		<title>By: davoyager</title>
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		<dc:creator>davoyager</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 May 2009 05:43:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As I said before: This whole email flap is just the latest smoke screen thrown up by the increasingly desperate condo owners and their allies who have been steamrolling the opposition to this perfectly reasonable project. Of course the SCA wasn’t interested in other sites. They told us last year there was no money to build, rent, or buy a school for the foreseeable future. The only reason they were at long last going to give us a school was because TT was giving this gift worth an estimated $43 million. No other site even remotely equaled that gift. If Yassky was serious about helping the children of the 33rd he would grab this gift with both hands instead of kowtowing to his rich friends and campaign contributors over at 30 main and 70 washington.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As I said before: This whole email flap is just the latest smoke screen thrown up by the increasingly desperate condo owners and their allies who have been steamrolling the opposition to this perfectly reasonable project. Of course the SCA wasn’t interested in other sites. They told us last year there was no money to build, rent, or buy a school for the foreseeable future. The only reason they were at long last going to give us a school was because TT was giving this gift worth an estimated $43 million. No other site even remotely equaled that gift. If Yassky was serious about helping the children of the 33rd he would grab this gift with both hands instead of kowtowing to his rich friends and campaign contributors over at 30 main and 70 washington.</p>
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