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	<title>Comments on: Dock Street Dumbo&#8217;s Opposition Goes to City Hall</title>
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		<title>By: Jerry Smolin</title>
		<link>http://dumbonyc.com/2009/04/28/dock-street-dumbocity-hall/comment-page-2/#comment-44341</link>
		<dc:creator>Jerry Smolin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Sep 2009 05:02:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I hate being a stickler about grammar, BUT, can I assume the sentence &quot;Open Letter of Opposition to Mayor Bloomberg&quot; is not meant to indicate opposition to the Mayor, per se, but to the Dock Street project? The sentence as currently composed seems to suggest the former. Sorry to be a pain, but . . .</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I hate being a stickler about grammar, BUT, can I assume the sentence &#8220;Open Letter of Opposition to Mayor Bloomberg&#8221; is not meant to indicate opposition to the Mayor, per se, but to the Dock Street project? The sentence as currently composed seems to suggest the former. Sorry to be a pain, but . . .</p>
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		<title>By: davoyager</title>
		<link>http://dumbonyc.com/2009/04/28/dock-street-dumbocity-hall/comment-page-2/#comment-42722</link>
		<dc:creator>davoyager</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 May 2009 06:03:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ca-Cing!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ca-Cing!</p>
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		<title>By: Publius</title>
		<link>http://dumbonyc.com/2009/04/28/dock-street-dumbocity-hall/comment-page-2/#comment-42721</link>
		<dc:creator>Publius</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 May 2009 01:08:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m being paid by the spare change left behind in the seat cushions at Jed&#039;s lobbyist&#039;s office.  When you get paid north of $180,000 during the past two years to lobby the CB, CDC, and City Council, sometimes all of it can&#039;t fit into ones pockets and some gold coins fall behind the couch.  

I also get some left over loose change that falls behind the seat cushions at the offices of Councilwomen Quinn and Katz. This is from the money Two Trees has paid through its &quot;employees&quot; to subvert political donation laws limits.  Both of these stories have been reported extensively in the NYT and the NY Post and have previously been posted here.

DuhVoyager is either:

a) using Rovian tactics intentionally to smear his advesaries with exactly what his side is doing (hey, it worked for GWB for 8 years until everyone finally got wise).

or

b) he&#039;s subconsicously projecting himself and his &quot;side&quot; (you know, the one that&#039;s spreading many hundreds of thousands of dollars around buying political support, onto his advesaries).

The effect is the same.

Folks, this is your last chance to write to key City Councilpeople and tell them to stand strong.

You can also try Quinn and Katz, but as last week&#039;s NY Post article shows, they were each paid over $25,000 by Two Trees in &quot;contributions&quot;.

Here&#039;s the email addresses:

http://council.nyc.gov/d3/html/members/home.shtml This links you to Christine Quinn&#039;s website. 

katz@council.nyc.ny.us 

avella@council.nyc.ny.us

yasskydockst@gmail.com


You&#039;re in front of the computer, so take a few moments to stop Dock St. DUMBO as it&#039;s currently configured to diminsh the Brooklyn Brige.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m being paid by the spare change left behind in the seat cushions at Jed&#8217;s lobbyist&#8217;s office.  When you get paid north of $180,000 during the past two years to lobby the CB, CDC, and City Council, sometimes all of it can&#8217;t fit into ones pockets and some gold coins fall behind the couch.  </p>
<p>I also get some left over loose change that falls behind the seat cushions at the offices of Councilwomen Quinn and Katz. This is from the money Two Trees has paid through its &#8220;employees&#8221; to subvert political donation laws limits.  Both of these stories have been reported extensively in the NYT and the NY Post and have previously been posted here.</p>
<p>DuhVoyager is either:</p>
<p>a) using Rovian tactics intentionally to smear his advesaries with exactly what his side is doing (hey, it worked for GWB for 8 years until everyone finally got wise).</p>
<p>or</p>
<p>b) he&#8217;s subconsicously projecting himself and his &#8220;side&#8221; (you know, the one that&#8217;s spreading many hundreds of thousands of dollars around buying political support, onto his advesaries).</p>
<p>The effect is the same.</p>
<p>Folks, this is your last chance to write to key City Councilpeople and tell them to stand strong.</p>
<p>You can also try Quinn and Katz, but as last week&#8217;s NY Post article shows, they were each paid over $25,000 by Two Trees in &#8220;contributions&#8221;.</p>
<p>Here&#8217;s the email addresses:</p>
<p><a href="http://council.nyc.gov/d3/html/members/home.shtml" rel="nofollow">http://council.nyc.gov/d3/html/members/home.shtml</a> This links you to Christine Quinn&#8217;s website. </p>
<p><a href="mailto:katz@council.nyc.ny.us">katz@council.nyc.ny.us</a> </p>
<p><a href="mailto:avella@council.nyc.ny.us">avella@council.nyc.ny.us</a></p>
<p><a href="mailto:yasskydockst@gmail.com">yasskydockst@gmail.com</a></p>
<p>You&#8217;re in front of the computer, so take a few moments to stop Dock St. DUMBO as it&#8217;s currently configured to diminsh the Brooklyn Brige.</p>
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		<title>By: No2Walentas2Trees</title>
		<link>http://dumbonyc.com/2009/04/28/dock-street-dumbocity-hall/comment-page-2/#comment-42718</link>
		<dc:creator>No2Walentas2Trees</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 03 May 2009 21:01:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Davoyager-

Who is paying Publius? Don&#039;t you think if the anti side had the money, it would be better funneled into the campaigns of politicians as this seems so far to be more effective?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Davoyager-</p>
<p>Who is paying Publius? Don&#8217;t you think if the anti side had the money, it would be better funneled into the campaigns of politicians as this seems so far to be more effective?</p>
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		<title>By: davoyager</title>
		<link>http://dumbonyc.com/2009/04/28/dock-street-dumbocity-hall/comment-page-2/#comment-42715</link>
		<dc:creator>davoyager</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 03 May 2009 05:45:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>sorry Pub but you&#039;ll have to work a few more days. The hearing is the 21st. xtra billing hours.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>sorry Pub but you&#8217;ll have to work a few more days. The hearing is the 21st. xtra billing hours.</p>
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		<title>By: Publius</title>
		<link>http://dumbonyc.com/2009/04/28/dock-street-dumbocity-hall/comment-page-2/#comment-42714</link>
		<dc:creator>Publius</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 03 May 2009 04:24:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Funny DuhVoyager, I was thinking exactly the same about you.

Folks, if you oppose the diminishment of Brooklyn&#039;s world famous icon, a symbol of our City, and our nation, now is your last chance to do something about it.

Write to your City Councilperson and tell him/her to vote against the Two Trees zoning change.

DuhVoyager and his shills for the developer have tried their shell game over and over during this fight.  

The tens of thousands of signatures against this project...The vast majority of community organizations against this project...The majority of speakers in person at multiple public hearing prove the people are against Dock Street Dumbo as currently configured.  

The project must be lowered below the Brooklyn Bridge roadway.

On DuhVoyager and Carlos&#039; side is Jeb&#039;s checkbook with hundreds of thousands of dollars spent on lobbyists and bribe money sent to key City Councilpeople like Quinn and Katz.  

Where are their thousands of petition ?(they don&#039;t have any) 

Where are their majorities at the various ULURP public hearings? (they don&#039;t have any). 

Where is the guarantee in writing that if the developer were to get his zoning change that any potential benefit to the community would result (it doesn&#039;t exist).

The shills can keep trying their shell game. It&#039;s been a semi-brilliant ploy by the Two Trees PR and money machine. But they can&#039;t refute the facts, so they try to dance around them with the continued Doublespeak.

May 15th is the hearing before the zoning committee.  Take the time now while you&#039;re in front of the computer to email your city councilperson.  Let the voice of the people be heard instead of the $$$ of mammon.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Funny DuhVoyager, I was thinking exactly the same about you.</p>
<p>Folks, if you oppose the diminishment of Brooklyn&#8217;s world famous icon, a symbol of our City, and our nation, now is your last chance to do something about it.</p>
<p>Write to your City Councilperson and tell him/her to vote against the Two Trees zoning change.</p>
<p>DuhVoyager and his shills for the developer have tried their shell game over and over during this fight.  </p>
<p>The tens of thousands of signatures against this project&#8230;The vast majority of community organizations against this project&#8230;The majority of speakers in person at multiple public hearing prove the people are against Dock Street Dumbo as currently configured.  </p>
<p>The project must be lowered below the Brooklyn Bridge roadway.</p>
<p>On DuhVoyager and Carlos&#8217; side is Jeb&#8217;s checkbook with hundreds of thousands of dollars spent on lobbyists and bribe money sent to key City Councilpeople like Quinn and Katz.  </p>
<p>Where are their thousands of petition ?(they don&#8217;t have any) </p>
<p>Where are their majorities at the various ULURP public hearings? (they don&#8217;t have any). </p>
<p>Where is the guarantee in writing that if the developer were to get his zoning change that any potential benefit to the community would result (it doesn&#8217;t exist).</p>
<p>The shills can keep trying their shell game. It&#8217;s been a semi-brilliant ploy by the Two Trees PR and money machine. But they can&#8217;t refute the facts, so they try to dance around them with the continued Doublespeak.</p>
<p>May 15th is the hearing before the zoning committee.  Take the time now while you&#8217;re in front of the computer to email your city councilperson.  Let the voice of the people be heard instead of the $$$ of mammon.</p>
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		<title>By: davoyager</title>
		<link>http://dumbonyc.com/2009/04/28/dock-street-dumbocity-hall/comment-page-2/#comment-42713</link>
		<dc:creator>davoyager</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 03 May 2009 04:14:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The great bridge was part of the seduction that eventually lead to “Great Mistake of 1898.?
I didn&#039;t make that up. It&#039;s a point of view I&#039;ve heard expressed more than once.
I for one am very proud to be a citizen of what has been perhaps the greatest city on earth and the capital of the world. Our time may be passing now but this will always be a great city and our best days may still be ahead of us.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The great bridge was part of the seduction that eventually lead to “Great Mistake of 1898.?<br />
I didn&#8217;t make that up. It&#8217;s a point of view I&#8217;ve heard expressed more than once.<br />
I for one am very proud to be a citizen of what has been perhaps the greatest city on earth and the capital of the world. Our time may be passing now but this will always be a great city and our best days may still be ahead of us.</p>
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		<title>By: davoyager</title>
		<link>http://dumbonyc.com/2009/04/28/dock-street-dumbocity-hall/comment-page-2/#comment-42712</link>
		<dc:creator>davoyager</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 03 May 2009 03:49:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I believe you but I am still convinced your buddy Pub bully is a hired gun employing a win at any cost strategy. And as such he is denying the community an honest and open discussion.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I believe you but I am still convinced your buddy Pub bully is a hired gun employing a win at any cost strategy. And as such he is denying the community an honest and open discussion.</p>
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		<title>By: No2Walentas2Trees</title>
		<link>http://dumbonyc.com/2009/04/28/dock-street-dumbocity-hall/comment-page-2/#comment-42711</link>
		<dc:creator>No2Walentas2Trees</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 03 May 2009 03:41:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>DaVoyager-

I can honestly tell you I am not rich and am not being paid for my opposition.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>DaVoyager-</p>
<p>I can honestly tell you I am not rich and am not being paid for my opposition.</p>
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		<title>By: No2Walentas2Trees</title>
		<link>http://dumbonyc.com/2009/04/28/dock-street-dumbocity-hall/comment-page-2/#comment-42710</link>
		<dc:creator>No2Walentas2Trees</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 03 May 2009 03:35:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>BL- I will submit to you an example of propaganda and the use of fear tactics to achieve an aim

http://brooklynheightsblog.com/wp-content/uploads/img_0353.jpg</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>BL- I will submit to you an example of propaganda and the use of fear tactics to achieve an aim</p>
<p><a href="http://brooklynheightsblog.com/wp-content/uploads/img_0353.jpg" rel="nofollow">http://brooklynheightsblog.com/wp-content/uploads/img_0353.jpg</a></p>
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		<title>By: davoyager</title>
		<link>http://dumbonyc.com/2009/04/28/dock-street-dumbocity-hall/comment-page-2/#comment-42709</link>
		<dc:creator>davoyager</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 03 May 2009 03:31:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No2 it&#039;s the rich community activists against the middle class. I could give a fig about the developer.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No2 it&#8217;s the rich community activists against the middle class. I could give a fig about the developer.</p>
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		<title>By: davoyager</title>
		<link>http://dumbonyc.com/2009/04/28/dock-street-dumbocity-hall/comment-page-2/#comment-42708</link>
		<dc:creator>davoyager</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 03 May 2009 03:18:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Pub bully,
1 it&#039;s entirely possible one of my wife&#039;s friends used our computer to post to the BHB as there are parents from PS 8 at my house all the time.
2 the identity that found it&#039;s way on my post never spoke about Dock St on the blogs.
3 what possible motivation would I have to apologize to that person in public if I were trying to hide something knowing full well you would jump all over me for it regardless of the truth.
And to answer your question I have tried to ignore your nasty hyperbole preferring instead to talk about the issues. But you have repeated your lies so much I finally decided to set the record straight. I will soon go back to ignoring you because it&#039;s so unpleasant to hear your nonsense.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Pub bully,<br />
1 it&#8217;s entirely possible one of my wife&#8217;s friends used our computer to post to the BHB as there are parents from PS 8 at my house all the time.<br />
2 the identity that found it&#8217;s way on my post never spoke about Dock St on the blogs.<br />
3 what possible motivation would I have to apologize to that person in public if I were trying to hide something knowing full well you would jump all over me for it regardless of the truth.<br />
And to answer your question I have tried to ignore your nasty hyperbole preferring instead to talk about the issues. But you have repeated your lies so much I finally decided to set the record straight. I will soon go back to ignoring you because it&#8217;s so unpleasant to hear your nonsense.</p>
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		<title>By: No2Walentas2Trees</title>
		<link>http://dumbonyc.com/2009/04/28/dock-street-dumbocity-hall/comment-page-2/#comment-42707</link>
		<dc:creator>No2Walentas2Trees</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 03 May 2009 03:15:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>DaVoyager-

Are you using the &#039;rich community activists against the poor developer&#039; argument again?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>DaVoyager-</p>
<p>Are you using the &#8216;rich community activists against the poor developer&#8217; argument again?</p>
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		<title>By: davoyager</title>
		<link>http://dumbonyc.com/2009/04/28/dock-street-dumbocity-hall/comment-page-2/#comment-42706</link>
		<dc:creator>davoyager</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 03 May 2009 03:02:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Pub bully you know damn who I am and that I&#039;m genuine because I stood up and spoke from the heart at both the BP&#039;s hearing and the CB&#039;s hearing. However nobody really knows who you are because you hide behind your anonymous identity and I have become convinced you are a lawyer who has been hired and is being paid to spread misinformation and intimidation for your clients purpose. Please allow the community to have an honest discussion with out your lies and slander.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Pub bully you know damn who I am and that I&#8217;m genuine because I stood up and spoke from the heart at both the BP&#8217;s hearing and the CB&#8217;s hearing. However nobody really knows who you are because you hide behind your anonymous identity and I have become convinced you are a lawyer who has been hired and is being paid to spread misinformation and intimidation for your clients purpose. Please allow the community to have an honest discussion with out your lies and slander.</p>
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		<title>By: No2Walentas2Trees</title>
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		<dc:creator>No2Walentas2Trees</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 03 May 2009 00:47:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>BL, 

I am calling you out on your statement. 

What is &#039;opinion&#039;, &#039;propaganda&#039; and &#039;fact&#039;?

Look at the posts by Harry and Daddy Mack, and please give an answer. 

Also, are you the one plastering those hideous &#039;Brooklyn Love&#039; stickers in the shops in DUMBO?

If so, wouldn&#039;t that be considered &#039;vandalism&#039;?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>BL, </p>
<p>I am calling you out on your statement. </p>
<p>What is &#8216;opinion&#8217;, &#8216;propaganda&#8217; and &#8216;fact&#8217;?</p>
<p>Look at the posts by Harry and Daddy Mack, and please give an answer. </p>
<p>Also, are you the one plastering those hideous &#8216;Brooklyn Love&#8217; stickers in the shops in DUMBO?</p>
<p>If so, wouldn&#8217;t that be considered &#8216;vandalism&#8217;?</p>
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