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	<title>Comments on: Weekend Event:  2008 Brooklyn Hip Hop Festival</title>
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		<title>By: doogooder</title>
		<link>http://dumbonyc.com/2008/07/11/2008-brooklyn-hip-hop-festival/comment-page-2/#comment-44267</link>
		<dc:creator>doogooder</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Sep 2009 04:58:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think it&#039;s a chance to join hands with our Farragut neighbors and sing Kumbiya with a Hip Hop Beat. Personally I&#039;m looking forward to it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think it&#39;s a chance to join hands with our Farragut neighbors and sing Kumbiya with a Hip Hop Beat. Personally I&#39;m looking forward to it.</p>
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		<title>By: P.CASSO</title>
		<link>http://dumbonyc.com/2008/07/11/2008-brooklyn-hip-hop-festival/comment-page-2/#comment-41305</link>
		<dc:creator>P.CASSO</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Jan 2009 12:55:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This was a great argument.  I had to revisit it months later.  I&#039;m glad that the residents of DUMBO posted postivie comments.  Long live HipHop!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This was a great argument.  I had to revisit it months later.  I&#8217;m glad that the residents of DUMBO posted postivie comments.  Long live HipHop!</p>
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		<title>By: cracky</title>
		<link>http://dumbonyc.com/2008/07/11/2008-brooklyn-hip-hop-festival/comment-page-2/#comment-39365</link>
		<dc:creator>cracky</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Jul 2008 16:43:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Help me out with a little change? God bless you anyway, dear.</description>
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		<title>By: Eli</title>
		<link>http://dumbonyc.com/2008/07/11/2008-brooklyn-hip-hop-festival/comment-page-2/#comment-39349</link>
		<dc:creator>Eli</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jul 2008 03:27:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Anon, it would be different if the people who didn&#039;t want the event in their community simply said so.  But those same people chose to rant about how much they hate hip hop.  It was obvious to many of the others who responded, that those folks were speaking about hip hop from a point of ignorance.  They simply didn&#039;t know what they were talking about.  You, unfortunately fall in the same category.  For you to say that hip hop is racist because it &quot;has rhymed about how bad white people are (public enemy) or how bad all cops are (n.w.a. / ice t)&quot; obviously shows how little you understand hip hop and the experience from which it came.  

Why is it that when it comes to hip hop, many people choose to judge it solely on what they see on TV, read in the newspapers and hear on the radio?  How many art forms can someone truly understand only by these three mediums?  NONE!  Art, just like life, is full of different cultures, experiences, viewpoints and opinions.  People like you, Tiger and Joe don&#039;t seem to have any desire to understand this.  

Racism comes from 3 things: ignorance, fear, and a lack of desire to understand someone else&#039;s experience as valid and human.  The three of you have shown all these parts in your statements.  That&#039;s why you all were labled racist.  Not because your opinions were different.

If you or anyone wants to learn more about hip hop, start with some reading material.  There is a huge body of literature on hip hop culture, written by academics who have taught at many major universities.  One of my favorites is -Can&#039;t Stop Won&#039;t Stop: A History of the Hip Hop Generation, by Jeff Chang.  If you&#039;re really sincere about learning something new, start there.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Anon, it would be different if the people who didn&#8217;t want the event in their community simply said so.  But those same people chose to rant about how much they hate hip hop.  It was obvious to many of the others who responded, that those folks were speaking about hip hop from a point of ignorance.  They simply didn&#8217;t know what they were talking about.  You, unfortunately fall in the same category.  For you to say that hip hop is racist because it &#8220;has rhymed about how bad white people are (public enemy) or how bad all cops are (n.w.a. / ice t)&#8221; obviously shows how little you understand hip hop and the experience from which it came.  </p>
<p>Why is it that when it comes to hip hop, many people choose to judge it solely on what they see on TV, read in the newspapers and hear on the radio?  How many art forms can someone truly understand only by these three mediums?  NONE!  Art, just like life, is full of different cultures, experiences, viewpoints and opinions.  People like you, Tiger and Joe don&#8217;t seem to have any desire to understand this.  </p>
<p>Racism comes from 3 things: ignorance, fear, and a lack of desire to understand someone else&#8217;s experience as valid and human.  The three of you have shown all these parts in your statements.  That&#8217;s why you all were labled racist.  Not because your opinions were different.</p>
<p>If you or anyone wants to learn more about hip hop, start with some reading material.  There is a huge body of literature on hip hop culture, written by academics who have taught at many major universities.  One of my favorites is -Can&#8217;t Stop Won&#8217;t Stop: A History of the Hip Hop Generation, by Jeff Chang.  If you&#8217;re really sincere about learning something new, start there.</p>
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		<title>By: Old Dame in DUMBO</title>
		<link>http://dumbonyc.com/2008/07/11/2008-brooklyn-hip-hop-festival/comment-page-2/#comment-39346</link>
		<dc:creator>Old Dame in DUMBO</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Jul 2008 21:59:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I’m a pushing fifty years old white woman in DUMBO who brought her over-the-hill, Hip-Hop hating husband to the Hip Hop festival over the weekend.  We both absolutely had a wonderful time and were not “eye-balled” or “threatened” in any way.  The whole event we felt created a positive vibe in the Nabe and there was not any garbage strewn in front of our apartment door.  Both Front Street Pizza and Rice seemed to be turning a good buck with their food booths set up at the festival. The music just makes you feel good whether you become a fan of it or not. 

Our only complaint was, why did the 84th precinct suddenly have enough police officers to spare to put three cops on every corner in DUMBO during the Hip-Hop festival but can’t seem  to spare the police man power dollars in the budget to give us enough police presence everyday when our cars are getting their windows smashed, there are a series of muggings in the area and our businesses are getting robbed?  This seemed to be a racist statement on the part of the precinct that the festival would invariably cause trouble.  I understand that large outdoor events require extra protection, but we did not even see this much police presence during the 4th of July holiday and we live right near the park.  The next time there are reports of muggings, etc., in the area I hope we don’t get the excuse that the 84th precinct is stretched too thin to patrol DUMBO and we get that ridiculous police tower instead of the show of force of police presence that was here in the area during the Hip-Hop festival.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I’m a pushing fifty years old white woman in DUMBO who brought her over-the-hill, Hip-Hop hating husband to the Hip Hop festival over the weekend.  We both absolutely had a wonderful time and were not “eye-balled” or “threatened” in any way.  The whole event we felt created a positive vibe in the Nabe and there was not any garbage strewn in front of our apartment door.  Both Front Street Pizza and Rice seemed to be turning a good buck with their food booths set up at the festival. The music just makes you feel good whether you become a fan of it or not. </p>
<p>Our only complaint was, why did the 84th precinct suddenly have enough police officers to spare to put three cops on every corner in DUMBO during the Hip-Hop festival but can’t seem  to spare the police man power dollars in the budget to give us enough police presence everyday when our cars are getting their windows smashed, there are a series of muggings in the area and our businesses are getting robbed?  This seemed to be a racist statement on the part of the precinct that the festival would invariably cause trouble.  I understand that large outdoor events require extra protection, but we did not even see this much police presence during the 4th of July holiday and we live right near the park.  The next time there are reports of muggings, etc., in the area I hope we don’t get the excuse that the 84th precinct is stretched too thin to patrol DUMBO and we get that ridiculous police tower instead of the show of force of police presence that was here in the area during the Hip-Hop festival.</p>
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		<title>By: Luke C</title>
		<link>http://dumbonyc.com/2008/07/11/2008-brooklyn-hip-hop-festival/comment-page-2/#comment-39337</link>
		<dc:creator>Luke C</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Jul 2008 14:10:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Having got my 2¢ in early, I&#039;m thrilled to see a lively debate ensued. Yeah, it does suck to have loudness in your neighborhood but if we couldn&#039;t tolerate noise, the subways would drive you out long before the festival. 

I would place hip-hop in contention with Elizabethan theater for offering the greatest evolution in English since William the Conqueror. The Bard and his ilk were considered low art at their time but posterity honored their creative use and invention of language. Hip-hop may or may not speak to universal humanity, but it is crafts with language like no music form has before. And that is art: creating, evolving, infusing. And DUMBO is Brooklyn&#039;s nexus of art. Q.E.D.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Having got my 2¢ in early, I&#8217;m thrilled to see a lively debate ensued. Yeah, it does suck to have loudness in your neighborhood but if we couldn&#8217;t tolerate noise, the subways would drive you out long before the festival. </p>
<p>I would place hip-hop in contention with Elizabethan theater for offering the greatest evolution in English since William the Conqueror. The Bard and his ilk were considered low art at their time but posterity honored their creative use and invention of language. Hip-hop may or may not speak to universal humanity, but it is crafts with language like no music form has before. And that is art: creating, evolving, infusing. And DUMBO is Brooklyn&#8217;s nexus of art. Q.E.D.</p>
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		<title>By: lee</title>
		<link>http://dumbonyc.com/2008/07/11/2008-brooklyn-hip-hop-festival/comment-page-2/#comment-39336</link>
		<dc:creator>lee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Jul 2008 02:29:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m just curious, as an actual resident of this neighborhood, where these other &quot;residents&quot; like joe and &quot;anon&quot;(pathetic)get off deciding who they think should and should not use a public park. That&#039;s the problem with these forums... cowardly, closed minded people who assume identities that correspond with their narrow social views speak as representatives of groups that they most likely don&#039;t even belong to.  This neighborhood definitely has it&#039;s share of annoying residents, but I refuse to believe that it has sunk to this level. And another thing- when you make ignorant, prejudicial statements, don&#039;t cry about being called out for what they really mean.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m just curious, as an actual resident of this neighborhood, where these other &#8220;residents&#8221; like joe and &#8220;anon&#8221;(pathetic)get off deciding who they think should and should not use a public park. That&#8217;s the problem with these forums&#8230; cowardly, closed minded people who assume identities that correspond with their narrow social views speak as representatives of groups that they most likely don&#8217;t even belong to.  This neighborhood definitely has it&#8217;s share of annoying residents, but I refuse to believe that it has sunk to this level. And another thing- when you make ignorant, prejudicial statements, don&#8217;t cry about being called out for what they really mean.</p>
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		<title>By: duck the howard</title>
		<link>http://dumbonyc.com/2008/07/11/2008-brooklyn-hip-hop-festival/comment-page-2/#comment-39329</link>
		<dc:creator>duck the howard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Jul 2008 00:13:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think for the most part the people in this neighborhood enjoyed the festival. it’s only a few coprophiliacs on this blog who have protested. I suspect its more about dick envy than anything else. I know the guy who is “tiger” and he is half Irish and half Jewish, with small feet to boot. God knows how many times this Joe guy has been corn holed at Rikers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think for the most part the people in this neighborhood enjoyed the festival. it’s only a few coprophiliacs on this blog who have protested. I suspect its more about dick envy than anything else. I know the guy who is “tiger” and he is half Irish and half Jewish, with small feet to boot. God knows how many times this Joe guy has been corn holed at Rikers.</p>
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		<title>By: Gold</title>
		<link>http://dumbonyc.com/2008/07/11/2008-brooklyn-hip-hop-festival/comment-page-2/#comment-39327</link>
		<dc:creator>Gold</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Jul 2008 22:36:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Money, hoes &amp; clothes is all a brotha knows&quot; (R.I.P. Notorious BIG)...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Money, hoes &amp; clothes is all a brotha knows&#8221; (R.I.P. Notorious BIG)&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: anon</title>
		<link>http://dumbonyc.com/2008/07/11/2008-brooklyn-hip-hop-festival/comment-page-2/#comment-39326</link>
		<dc:creator>anon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Jul 2008 20:42:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Call me crazy but I think it&#039;s perfectly ok for a community to voice their opinions whether they are in favor or against any event.  Just because the community in DUMBO would rather have the Hip Hop Festival away from their neighborhood is not rascist.  I&#039;ll tell you what&#039;s racist, all these years that Hip Hip has rhymed about how bad white people are (public enemy) or how bad all cops are (n.w.a. / ice t) now that&#039;s racist.  Let&#039;s be honest hip hop has never carried any sense of well being or goodness to it.  It&#039;s based on narcissism and selfishness.  That&#039;s not something I would want in any neighborhood.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Call me crazy but I think it&#8217;s perfectly ok for a community to voice their opinions whether they are in favor or against any event.  Just because the community in DUMBO would rather have the Hip Hop Festival away from their neighborhood is not rascist.  I&#8217;ll tell you what&#8217;s racist, all these years that Hip Hip has rhymed about how bad white people are (public enemy) or how bad all cops are (n.w.a. / ice t) now that&#8217;s racist.  Let&#8217;s be honest hip hop has never carried any sense of well being or goodness to it.  It&#8217;s based on narcissism and selfishness.  That&#8217;s not something I would want in any neighborhood.</p>
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		<title>By: Binary Star</title>
		<link>http://dumbonyc.com/2008/07/11/2008-brooklyn-hip-hop-festival/comment-page-2/#comment-39325</link>
		<dc:creator>Binary Star</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Jul 2008 17:27:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Some of the comments from you guys are absolutely disgusting and elitist. No one is suggesting that you have to like hip-hop music at all but a lot of you come off like over-privileged spoiled brats that think just because you don&#039;t like something it shouldn&#039;t exist.

There are a few very important points to be made here:

1) The festival is the BROOKLYN Hip-Hop festival. Not the all of Brooklyn but Dumbo hip-hop festival so when people make statements like &quot;I suggest holding it in a neighborhood that is perhaps more Hip Hop friendly&quot; that really does smack of a racist comment. How do you determine if a neighborhood is &quot;more Hip Hop friendly&quot;?

2) the park is called Empire Fulton Ferry STATE PARK. It&#039;s not your backyard.

3) &lt;q cite=&quot;Ramona&quot;&gt;&quot;I don’t know anyone (of my circle of neighbors and friends) in the neighborhood who is planning to attend.&quot;&lt;/q&gt;

That statement is pretty indicative of your state of mind. Thankfully, the world doesn&#039;t revolve around you and your friends and neighbors. Incidentally, do you sound off on the internet about every event you and your friends will not be attending? I&#039;m guessing that answer is no so in that case you really should ask yourself why this is such a big deal for you.

I know people that lived in DUMBO 15 years ago that didn&#039;t want a bunch of elitist snob douchebags moving in and trying to dictate what belongs in DUMBO and what doesn&#039;t.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Some of the comments from you guys are absolutely disgusting and elitist. No one is suggesting that you have to like hip-hop music at all but a lot of you come off like over-privileged spoiled brats that think just because you don&#8217;t like something it shouldn&#8217;t exist.</p>
<p>There are a few very important points to be made here:</p>
<p>1) The festival is the BROOKLYN Hip-Hop festival. Not the all of Brooklyn but Dumbo hip-hop festival so when people make statements like &#8220;I suggest holding it in a neighborhood that is perhaps more Hip Hop friendly&#8221; that really does smack of a racist comment. How do you determine if a neighborhood is &#8220;more Hip Hop friendly&#8221;?</p>
<p>2) the park is called Empire Fulton Ferry STATE PARK. It&#8217;s not your backyard.</p>
<p>3) <q cite="Ramona">&#8220;I don’t know anyone (of my circle of neighbors and friends) in the neighborhood who is planning to attend.&#8221;</q></p>
<p>That statement is pretty indicative of your state of mind. Thankfully, the world doesn&#8217;t revolve around you and your friends and neighbors. Incidentally, do you sound off on the internet about every event you and your friends will not be attending? I&#8217;m guessing that answer is no so in that case you really should ask yourself why this is such a big deal for you.</p>
<p>I know people that lived in DUMBO 15 years ago that didn&#8217;t want a bunch of elitist snob douchebags moving in and trying to dictate what belongs in DUMBO and what doesn&#8217;t.</p>
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		<title>By: Peter</title>
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		<dc:creator>Peter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Jul 2008 15:23:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ll say what&#039;s on everyone&#039;s mind.
there is to much shit going on in this 
tiny area.I personally don&#039;t mind hip hop music
,but I&#039;m sick and tired of all the photo shoots,
movie shoots,limos,and winabagos parked in front of my building.DUMBO is not Disneyland! where is the revenue for this Hip Hop festival ?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ll say what&#8217;s on everyone&#8217;s mind.<br />
there is to much shit going on in this<br />
tiny area.I personally don&#8217;t mind hip hop music<br />
,but I&#8217;m sick and tired of all the photo shoots,<br />
movie shoots,limos,and winabagos parked in front of my building.DUMBO is not Disneyland! where is the revenue for this Hip Hop festival ?</p>
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		<title>By: howard the duck</title>
		<link>http://dumbonyc.com/2008/07/11/2008-brooklyn-hip-hop-festival/comment-page-2/#comment-39322</link>
		<dc:creator>howard the duck</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Jul 2008 03:28:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Provocateur hired by paper tiger and little joe</description>
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		<title>By: thank goodness</title>
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		<dc:creator>thank goodness</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Jul 2008 23:48:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank goodness.
Only 15 more mins until this rap show is over.  Then I can move freely around the neighborhood and the park.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank goodness.<br />
Only 15 more mins until this rap show is over.  Then I can move freely around the neighborhood and the park.</p>
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		<title>By: 100 Jay</title>
		<link>http://dumbonyc.com/2008/07/11/2008-brooklyn-hip-hop-festival/comment-page-2/#comment-39320</link>
		<dc:creator>100 Jay</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Jul 2008 18:39:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m white, live in the nabe, and I&#039;m heading over to the park now to enjoy some wonderful music.  Looking forward to hearing you drop some wonderful gems P.CASSO, along with KRS and all the others.  Keep doing what you do and know that not all residents of this neighborhood share the same ignorance of others!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m white, live in the nabe, and I&#8217;m heading over to the park now to enjoy some wonderful music.  Looking forward to hearing you drop some wonderful gems P.CASSO, along with KRS and all the others.  Keep doing what you do and know that not all residents of this neighborhood share the same ignorance of others!</p>
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